Bamabob, GREAT LINK!!!!!  It confirms my suspicions Obama has been coerced by the team of 100 and the committee of 300 (the people who really run the country). It must be rough to be the leader of the free world yet be so intimidated by the corrupt elite as to do their bidding.  (By the way, Bush Sr. and Cheney are both members of the committee of 300.  george W. was not selected Gee, I wonder why.)  If you were a member, you could shoot someone in the face and never be charged for it.  Look into it.  You will be surprised as to what their plans are and have been for americans, including destroying the middle class in this country.  It was even leaked out about the swine flu epidemic which is going on today. (It was leaked out 15 years ago, but nobody listened).  The powers that be may not keep this on the forum for long and they may also revoke my forum privileges, so remember, as the true american you seem to be, check out info on the committee of 300 and the bilderberg’s group.

Very, Very interesting…...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

Bamabob, I don’t see anything good coming out of any of the four proposals (unless you are the CEO of AIG, Blue cross, or one of the other insurance giants).  A REAL health care plan (one for the people instead of big business) would take less than 100 pages (not 1000 pages).  As long as big business controls legislation, the people are screwed.

I understand people not wanting the gov’t controlling life and death situations.  But why are the same people who are fussing about this possibility are more than willing to let insurance companies control their life and death situation.  Either way, it is SOCIALISM.

Looks like Palin won this one!!!

Finance Committee to drop end-of-life provision

“The committee, which has worked on putting together a bipartisan healthcare reform bill, will drop the controversial provision after it was derided by conservatives as “death panels” to encourage euthanasia.”

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/finance-committee-to-drop-end-of-life-provision-2009-08-13.html

Some of the assertions that President Obama made about his health plan at Tuesday’s town-hall meeting are open to argument:

• “Under the reform we’re proposing, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

Not necessarily. In an analysis of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee bill, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimated that 10 million workers could lose employer-provided benefits and would have to find other insurance.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-08-11-healthcare_N.htm

I do not understand where you people are reading that somehow the health care proposals extinguish existing policies. It’s just not accurate. I know it’s not easy to read hundreds of pages BUT please do before you make comments based on some talking head’s rants.

It is not as simple as some sound bites. Several proposals are strings of complicated math. It’s nowhere near perfect. Smart citizens would be working toward something that prevents the rest of us from paying the enormous cost of ignoring health needs.

SEVENTY PERCENT of working women are not covered by workplace health coverage. Nearly half of the babies listed in birth announcements are to SINGLE moms. You do the math. NOW THAT"S SOMETHING TO SCREAM ABOUT!

Can anyone think of one thing that would be good about the plan we keep hearing about?  Since no one even knows how much it will cost each individual, let’s not use that one.

I lived and worked in europe for a few years, saw and personally experienced their universal health care system.  It worked great for me, but that is because their welfare system works so well. Over there, if you are able to work, you work. Even if that means cleaning the streets.  The prisoners didn’t do that kind of job over there like they do here.  People who couldn’t find a job would not be able to sit on their lazy butts and collect a check.  They had to work for it, and pay the taxes just like everyone else. They DID take good care of their elderly and disabled, but if you were an able bodied citizen, you worked for your check. I had a child born over their with severe medical problems.  The hospital took excellent care of my child and my bill for the services was 0.  If we could force the lazy people to work, stop the hand outs to them, then we could get decent health care without the insurance companies taking all of our money and then denying us service when we have an expensive health problem.

Private health care is a privilege, not a right. People that choose not to work & ride the gov’t at the tax payers expense deserve nothing more than gov’t health care. The current gov’t health care system needs to be restructured, not replaced. It should continue to be provided for those who need it and not shoved down everyone’s throat.

Personally, I am happy with my current health care plan. Is it cheap? No. Is it worth it? Yes. If everyone has the same set insurance, which like others are stating will not be free or cheap, than just having your normal visit to your doctor you have been going to for years is going to be very very time consuming. Every doctors office will look like the downtown clinics. I pay for my insurance so I do not have to deal with that and so that I can know I am getting decent health care. I do not want what the government is trying to give me or my family.