If we don't finish the job against global terrorism, we need not worry about college educations or anything else, as we will be obliterated one day.

Except there is no way to "finish the job against global terrorism". McCain's not gonna do it. Nobody can do it. Terrorism is something that is here and that we'll have to worry about and deal with for eternity.

Anyone who thinks that keeping our troops in Iraq indefinitely is protecting us against future attacks or terrorism is living in a dream world.

-nab

If this country were to cut and run at this point, insurgents would pour across the Afghanistan, Iran and Pakistan borders. They would slaughter those in Iraq working to make a more viable lifestyle for their people and then they would come after us. Then we would be fighting a terrorist war on the streets of our major cities.

Our retreat would also send a terrible message to the rest of the world.

I don't think we will be there indefinitely, but I do think if we have a president who is willing to tuck tail and run, then we better get ready for the consequences. Those exact consequences that BamaBob spoke about. But if we want a president with a nice smile, who would like us all to sit around the campfire, holding hands and singing songs-then I think we have the candidate.

Some nerve you got calling someone the antichrist. Well I believe we will get what the American people vote in office in november. In my opinion, We need a president who can kill Thousands of people if it will save american lives and preserve our countries boast of FREEDOM. Voting "present" when you get in a bad place just don't cut the mustard. MR PRESIDENT shall we use the nuke? present. Do you understand MR. President Americans are dying right now. present. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND???? this guy is soft way to soft to be our president.

jeff

"What makes your opinions the only ones worth listening too?" -jlc24

I am constantly amazed how some people can read an entire thread and then make up something in their own minds that someone else said.

Read this thread again. You obviously didn't get it the first time. I began by clearly stating my intentions with the original post. I quoted something pertinent to what was written in another thread by someone else and noted that I thought it was "amusing and interesting".

Then bobcat posted a comment that though slightly confusing, seemed to me to say that once again I was trying to force my candidate down someone's throat, i.e., pimping him out. Since that was not the intent of my original post, and knowing that bobcat's opinions are vastly different than mine, I suggested - half-jokingly - that perhaps if my posts consistently irritate him he should consider ignoring mine in the future.

From that point suddenly others jump in with how important it is to have open discourse and accept everyone's opinions, regardless of what they are, because nobody's right and nobody's wrong. My only comment past that was in regard to global terrorism.

So please tell me how you've leapt to the conclusion you have that would make you state "What makes your opinions the only ones worth listening to?"

Disliking someone shouldn't cause another to make up things about that person, put words in their mouth that they did not say, or accuse them of beliefs or opinions that they don't have and never said.

There are some people on this forum - and I'm not naming names because people who can read can figure it out on their own - who seldom post any comments of their own, any opinions or back-and-forth conversation, and who are in short not really what you'd call contributors to the forum...EXCEPT when they feel the need to criticize another poster.

A message board is sort of like real life. Some people get out there and play, sometimes making friends, sometimes coming to good-natured blows, but still out there playing...while others sit in the shadows and wait to throw insults at the players.

-nab

Can anyone give me a single reason I should vote for Barack Obama?

The guy is a junior senator that has spent most of his term campaigning for the presidency. His very brief voting record is abysmal and considered to be the most liberal on Capital Hill. Yet, he claims he is the person to bring both parties together over the next four years. Fat chance of that!

He pushes socialist programs that will redistribute hard working people's money and put it into programs for those that can't or won't work, but his charitable contributions are next to nil. The bulk of which went to a black liberation style church that preaches anti-American sentiments.

This whole election season is starting to look like a Spielberg movie gone bad!

Can anyone give me a single reason I should vote for Barack Obama?

bamabob, the short answer to your question is "no". The reason I say this is because you already know - in fact knew long before the Reverend Wright issue - that you would not vote for Obama. Yes, you had a certain degree of respect for the man (if I'm correctly recalling things you've earlier posted), but never would you have considered throwing your vote his way in the general election.

Now of course you, like many others who never would have voted for him in the first place have what you consider a good, valid reason not to. In fact, you've mentioned several reasons you would not vote for him.

Your question would be the same as my asking "Can anyone give me a single reason I should vote for John McCain?" and expecting someone to actually give me a reason that would change my mind. When each citizen reaches the point in an election year when they have made a choice, often that choice is made for them by the other candidates. The reasons are many. A particular candidate cannot win. Another is so vile on his war stance that one's conscience wouldn't allow a vote for him. Maybe it's something as indefinable as personality. Some folks may not think that's important in the grand scheme of things with so many other critical issues. But a person (for my example let's say a woman) who turns off people right and left and who most people honestly say can garner no respect would NOT be the best choice for America's highest post.

So in the end I think that far more people end up voting for a candidate by default than because of ebullient zeal.

Do I believe that Barack Obama has shortcomings? Of course he does. Do I believe that he has more shortcomings that the other viable candidates? I do not. The vote will come down to a choice between flawed, imperfect individuals, not between someone Christ-like or Satanic.

You will NOT vote for Obama, and that's fine. Don't look for reasons to do so. Just accept it won't happen and vote your conscience. But at the same time, don't think your candidate is worthy and flawless and will always make the right choices and the perfect decisions. To the best of my knowledge no president before has ever been that person and the likelihood is that no one from this day forward ever will be either.

Come November, each of us will have one vote. Of course with delegates and superdelegates, our vote may really NOT be worth what it should be, but it is what it is and nobody can make it more than that. I respect the vote that anyone makes, as long as they've thought it out and are voting for the best leader in their eyes, in their heart...or against the one they feel will let this country spiral even further than it's heading. The voter I'll never respect is the one who's voting against the black or against the woman or against the person who in their eyes is imperfect.

-nab

You are right on one point and that is that I never planned to vote for Obama or Clinton. Race and gender have nothing to do with my choice. The Wright issue is intriguing in that those that stand behind Obama no matter what make excuses for his involvement in such a fanatical organization with deep rooted anti-American sentiments.

Set the Wright issue aside and tell me just exactly about this man’s politics appeal to you! I can easily do the same for McCain. There is absolutely nothing mysterious about McCain and his very long record speaks loud and clear.

Strong Defense and National Security
Strategy for Victory in Iraq
Commitment to Our Service Members, Past & Present
2nd Amendment Rights
Pro-Life
Lower Taxes
Smaller, Less Intrusive Federal Government
Lobbying & Ethics Reform
Strict Constructionist Philosophy *

*Perhaps one of the most important and long-lasting impacts a President will have on this country are the people he selects to sit on the Supreme Court.

The list goes on and on….. Can you give me a reason that I should consider either Obama or Clinton? Or, do you want to continue your nebulous diatribe about nothing; much like your chosen candidate does in each of his speeches?

I'm going to put myself out here for a minute-has anyone read the Left Behind Series? I don't know how the internet rumor got started, and I have actually never seen the rumor-but I do find it interesting that people are questioning this as a possibility. If you have read the Left Behind Books (and yes, they are fiction, but based on interpretation of biblical prophesy) then you can see some possible correlation here. Have I wondered it-yes I have. I didn't say anything to anyone, and this was before I even knew someone else was thinking the same thing. The funny thing is, even my husband mentioned it, and he hasn't been to church in years! I almost fell out when he said something to that effect after hearing Obama speak. Perhaps I am totally wrong, but what if it is true? I liked Obama at the very beginning, but then I just felt like he couldn't be trusted. I still feel that he is untrustworthy. I don't know that I can explain it, but he has a sense of self-righteous "falseness" about him. Gut instinct.