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22 January 2008 11:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Nice.

I don't think much more needs to be said after that last post.

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22 January 2008 12:08 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Can't argue with that.
 
 
22 January 2008 12:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Ok then. Now on to the next issue..........
 
 
22 January 2008 04:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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ShinKen - 21 January 2008 12:27 PM
I have to chuckle whenever someone talks about Confederate "heritage." After all, the Confederacy was only around barely five years and most people who fought in the War of Northern Aggression identified with their state. General Lee fought for the Confederacy because the land he considered his country—Virginia---was being invaded.

I would seriously question whether Lee would have considered the Confederacy his "heritage."

I have an ancestor who was a Cherokee. Her father was forcibly relocated west during the Trail of Tears, one of the many ways native Americans were oppressed and persecuted by the US government. In an effort to honor my heritage, I might get up in arms about seeing the Stars & Stripes, which could be taken as a hate symbol and a reminder to me of the American Holocaust.

But I let it go.

If my next door neighbor decided to fly a big Confederate battle flag on his front lawn, I can't say I'd be terrifically pleased. But it is his private property, and it is his right. In the larger scheme of things, I'm much more concerned about the guy down the street who has a sofa on his porch and various old kitchen appliances sitting around his yard. The latter make excellent homes for all types of pests and varmints.


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Since Lee was living at the time of the Civil War, it would be a little hard for him to consider it his heritage, had he people who were in the Revolutionary War, (for instance) I bet he would have thought that about them. Your heritage is past people, events and locations that produced the people we are today, good or bad. People living today who chose to look at Civil War events as a part of their heritage have that right,
those who see that era as a black mark in history, have that right too. Just dont impose either of us to hide it. That dosnt mean they have to focus on that one thing. But it is acknowledged as part of thier history.
I (and all of us) have many other things in our personal heritages, for myself it is also german, and northern parts (Chicago) of my family who fought on the other side of the war. This is only a small part of my heritage, but its there, and I resent anyone who tells me that I should be ashamed of it.
As to your Cherokee background, I do see your point, they were a very intelligent people and what happened to them was a shame, but it did happen, I can see your resentment to those who were involved, however it was 150+ years ago now. Just as the Civil was was. Both are history and dont really impact on people of todays, day to day lives. To be offended by a symbol that had no real affect on todays lives is ridiculous.
There is so much concern about being politically correct these days, that to suppress one idea or symbol, so as to not annoy anothers dignity..makes no concern about rights of those who have to hide whatever, to please those annoyed people. (does that make sense)
For instance praying in school..I grew up with prayer in school and believe it should be there. But now because of the diversity of religion, its taken out. Those children who are not allowed to pray in school because of another religons thoughts, Are now being suppressed. Its never ending. And there will never be a satisfactory solution for all.
Also, as to the slavery issue. I do realize it was bad. However it wasnt only the white race involved. There were many free blacks in Mobile an thru out the south, who owned slaves of thier own. Thousands of blacks were sold into slavery, by thier own people in Africa. And from what I have read, free blacks who owned slaves, were some of the hardest on thier own. So I wonder why it is only directed to white ownership (and cruelty) but you rarely hear about that side.
 
 
23 January 2008 03:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I saw a young man in the store a few weeks ago wearing a tee shirt with a raised black fist - remember Malcolm X? I suppose that was the young man's way of expressing his pride in his heritage - oh, wait, what if I was offended by that? Yes, NAB, I know - if that did offend me I would be a racist.


In my profession I deal with people from all parts of the country and, while most people who comment on my accent are complimentary, I still occasionally have some ignorant person who will assume I'm stupid, slow, or prejudiced because of my accent. Would you like to take a wild guess on the language of choice for some of these perceptive folks? (Can we say "Eubonics"?)
 
 
26 January 2008 10:16 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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I'm tired of all the so called experts who always try to villify the Battle Flag. Just so you know, the average Confederate soldier could have cared less whether or not slavery was legal. Most of them fought for the South because thier home state had seceeded, not for some idiology that did not really even affect them one way or the other. Here's some numbers they don't teach in history class: only about 10% of white Southerners owned any slaves, and less than 5% of them owned more than 3. That of course does not include the many hundreds of free blacks in the South that owned slaves. Yes black slaves. You see, as much as everyone tries to make slavery out to be like the Holocaust, fact is, that was a way of life back then. I'm not saying that it was right, but Southerners did not invent slavery. Truth is, unlike on the show "Roots", most slaves were treated as part of the family of the owners. Slaves were not, by any means, cheap, and sustinence farmers would have to save for years to afford just one. And that one was bought to help out on the farm, not do all the work while the owner sat back and drank tea. That's right, the owner was in the field helping, along with most of the rest of the family. This is not to say that there were not cases of abuse and neglect, but those few cases were as common then as those people would be today.
By the way, if you want to see a symbol truly connected with hate and racism, look at the stars and stripes. The KKK used it in almost every march that they did in the 20's and 30's. Point is, just because some idiots used a Rebel flag while screaming N-----! should not mean that it is a symbol of racism. As a matter of fact, Southerners were a lot more equal in thier treatment of blacks than Northerners.
 
 
04 March 2008 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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The Confederate Battle Flag is a respected symbol of liberty against oppression and totalitarianism across the globe.If you're upset about this,wait until y'all see the 139' flag pole (and monument) with what will be the world's largest flying Confederate Battle Flag flapping in the breeze next to I-75 in Hillsborough County,Florida! P.S. Go to http://www.florida-scv.org/tampafaf.pdf
 
 
04 March 2008 11:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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KEEP IT FLYING....PUT MORE UP AND WHOEVER DOESNT LIKE IT GET OVER IT...THERES NO MORE WITH OUR FLAG THEN THERE IS ALL THIS MALCOM X AND NAACP.....SO ITS OK FOR ALL OF YOU TO DO YOUR THING BUT ITS WRONG FOR US TO......
 
 
05 March 2008 01:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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to add to what ulsterscot said, The blacks were also enslaved by other blacks in africa and brought over here... at first by blacks, until the slave trade grew. And, has anyone mentioned how many northerners had slaves? Quite a few -- at first slaves were treated as indentured servants - after about 7-10 years or so, they were given their own piece of land and were freed-- they then needed slaves. Have we forgotten how many socioties have had slaves over the years? I am sure thousands. Why were they not as bad as this?

Oh- and the inane person who spoke of germans being proud of Nazi heritage--have you ever spoke to a german? The shudder at the mention of the word. They are completely embarrased about it. I am not talking about some 35743rd generation german that lives in America -- an Actual german citizen. The nazi parties here in America I doubt have real german heritage in them. Just thought I would point that out.
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05 March 2008 08:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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From a recent issue of Lagniappe, by Rob Holbert.

http://www.lagniappemobile.com/article/1311

In considering the long list of symbols I wouldn’t want emblazoned on my home or car, on a T-shirt or on a tattoo across my back, I’d have to put the Rebel Flag right up there with the Swastika and the Hammer and Sickle as symbols I’d avoid. (Personally I’d probably toss in the Wal-Mart Smiley Face, too.) For some reason, when I see someone sporting one of these symbols, I tend to think of that person as possibly being mentally or emotionally damaged, or possibly completely shiftless. Perhaps I’m just funny that way.

But now I feel like a group of so-called history buffs have essentially draped all of us in Mobile County with their objectionable symbol by erecting a giant Confederate Battle Flag right along Interstate 10 between Mobile and the Mississippi line. It almost feels like someone has forced us all to walk around wearing T-shirts that say, “Lookie here! I’m a big, fat redneck!” Naturally these T-shirts are all two sizes too small and provide for some amazing belly hang.

If you haven’t had the pleasure of seeing this hillbilly monument flying along I-10, it’s a 12-foot-by-18-foot beauty on an 80-foot flagpole and illuminated with 2,000-watt halogen lamps. The flag is the “gift” of Ben “The Confederate Veterinarian” George and the Lee-Moses-Dixon Camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. About the only thing that might be less inviting to people driving into our area would be a billboard with the visage of a hooded Klansman giving motorists “the finger.”

I drove past this monument twice last weekend and couldn’t help thinking how travelers must react to it, especially those who may never have driven through our redneck of the woods before.

“Umm, is Lynyrd Skynyrd from Mobile?” one traveler might ask another.

“I don’t think so,” his companion might reply.

“What about the banjo player from ‘Deliverance’ or David Duke?”

“Not sure. Maybe.”

“You know, come to think of it, I’m not that hungry after all. Let’s wait until we get to Pensacola to eat lunch.”

“Absolutely! I think they’ve got an Applebee’s there!”

Hopefully Dr. George and his group aren’t intentionally trying to drive away business and visitors, or to make us all look like rednecks, but regardless of their intentions, that’s exactly what their monument has done from the second it went up. And being someone who is in the First Amendment business, I completely support Dr. George’s right to do it. But, I will avail myself of my First Amendment right to say the fact that he and his group have done this makes me seriously question whether they even have the sense God gave a chicken. (And I’m not talking about one of those smart chickens that beat people at tic-tac-toe, I’m talking about the super-dumb kind that drown in a rainstorm because they keep looking up.)

If there’s ever been a “Lost Cause” in this old world, it’s the attempt by people like Dr. George to fish the Confederate Battle Flag out of history’s toilet bowl and to make it all shiny and new again. While some amazingly minute percentage of society may actually think that flag is a symbol of history and heritage, the other 99.9999999 percent of Americans think of it as a very good way of identifying people with small gene pools and large gun collections.

I’m sure there’s some Ben George counterpart in Germany who wants to honor his fallen ancestors from WWII by flying the swastika. Fat chance that anyone would think he was anything other than a Nazi if he did. Same thing with the Battle Flag. It offends so many people and causes just about all of the rest of us to at least mentally flinch.

Think about it. If you were in a parking lot and there were two spots left and one was next to a big pickup with a Battle Flag painted across the tailgate and the other space was next to a big pickup with Calvin peeing on a Chevy logo, where do you think you’d park? Exactly. You don’t want to meet the idiot who owns that flag truck, do you? You’d take your chances with the guy who likes peeing cartoons.

And that’s probably the same way people driving into Mobile will feel when they see Dr. George’s big flag – they won’t want to meet the idiots who live in this county.

Thankfully, we have plenty of great people and things around here that can offset such an ignorant display. Businesses from around the world are coming here. The area is growing and bringing in new, more diverse people all the time. The Ben Georges in our area are a distinct minority. That was clear from his failed bid for public office. There are only so many people who think this flag shtick is cute. Maybe just enough to keep Dr. George’s veterinary clinic in business, but that’s about it.

I’m sure there are some people out there who will get all lathered up and want to make an argument for the “historical importance” of the flag, blah, blah, blah. Forget it. The debate is over. School’s out. Some things just are the way they are.

As my wife astutely pointed out, nobody can get away with wearing that tiny mustache Hitler liked anymore. I’m sure there are some mustache aficionados who could argue about the historical significance of the tiny mustache, but absolutely no one who is sane wears one. If you do, people will think you like Hitler, even if you just think tiny mustaches make you sexy. The same logic applies to this ridiculous flag.

But since the flag is there and the likelihood of a meteorite hitting it is relatively slim, we need to find a way to deal with it.
What would be fitting is if the city and county got together and erected a very tall – say around 80-foot-tall – billboard welcoming people to Mobile on the public right of way in front of Dr. George’s flag. I’m sure that might be upsetting to the folks who spent $20,000 to irritate and embarrass the rest of us, but freedom of speech cuts both ways sometimes.
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