What is your point nab? This is a discussion forum that more often than not deals with whatever happens to be in the headlines from one day to the next. We just had a discussion about a presidential candidate's beliefs on abortion and we learned something about each other in the process.

Why are your feelings about this candidate on your sleeve?

“Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old,” he said. “I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

I agree we should teach our children morals and values. But how can you say a baby is "punishment." Anyone with any sense knows that there are consequences to actions-if you play with fire, you might get burned. If you have unprotected sex, you may get pregnant, you may get an STD or AIDS. Sure make the information available, the family is the best place to start, but information is also a phone call away to the local health department.

Just one more stupid comment from someone who should think before he speaks. Wonder if he does make president if he will think before he acts? Scary thought.

Why are your feelings about this candidate on your sleeve?

In another thread I said I was no longer going to talk politics on this board. I then see another post, this morning, by you, discussing abortion - without mentioning who said the quote within. I responded to your question re were there any thoughts on this subject. Then you badgered me about whether or not I agreed with Obama's stance on abortion - knowing I said I no longer wanted to discuss politics with you.

In my book, that's baiting. Instead of asking me why my feelings about Obama are on my sleeve, why don't you ask yourself why you are baiting me into a discussion I've clearly said I no longer want to have with you? As long as I've read your posts here, I can't say I recall you being a bully, as you are now. Are you trying to make me not only ignore political discussion with you but every other topic as well? I just don't get it. And I don't get you.

And don't bother throwing this back at me because I'm through.

-nab

I was 17 and of course not married when I found out I was pregnant with my first child. My soon to be husband wanted me to abort the pregnancy, but I refused. At 17 I got married, graduated from high school, and was a mother soon after turning 18. It was tough, but we made it and now I am helping my 23 year old daughter plan her wedding. She has been the joy of my life and I have never regretted my decision to have her, or my two sons. Yes, getting pregnant changes your life, but who says it has to be for the worse? Life throws you lemons and you make lemonade. Maybe it's part of Gods plan. I know that having pre-marital sex is a sin, but it happened and something good came out of it. You see, my mother had just been diagnosed with breast cancer right before I got pregnant and this was her first grandchild. How appropriate that I was able to give her a granddaughter to bring her joy for the last 4 years of her life.

I like your attitude northcountygirl. There are always options. Babies, planned or not, are not trash to be thrown away. There are way too many options available to consider. Sometimes "surprises" are the best gift of all-I have an 18, 15, 13 and 4 year old. Need I say more?!

northcountrygirl - A very touching story you have and it makes an important point. Most of us were not products of planned parenthood. We just happened. We are part of a design that might seem haphazard at times simply because we do not understand the intent of something greater than what can be seen.

Nab - you are showing undeserved hostilities toward me. I started a topic in “World/National News” using a very inflammatory comment about abortion that was all over the media. I questioned its implication and asked others to give their opinions. How you turn that into “baiting” is a little beyond my comprehension. If you had known that those were Barack Obama’s words would you have changed your position on abortion? I am honestly not understanding your retort.

Not very many months ago this election season began with a promise to break down boundaries and become the season of change. That promise has faltered under scrutiny and now we are left with a residue of hatred and reminders of all things that are wrong with our society.

This election will go down in history for all the wrong reasons. It has awakened sleeping prejudices against gender and race. It has forgotten the importance of unification against our enemies and it has exposed our country’s frailties.

This is a shameful time in American history……