If you have a child it is your responsibility. if you cannot take care of it, either financially, socially, mentally or whatever, then yes I think it should be removed to a home where it will get a decent upbringing.

And where might that be?  Do you think that every foster home is the type of place that will give a child a “decent upbringing”?  If not a foster home, do you think a group home will provide a child with the things that will one day make him a strong, productive member of society?  Maybe.  But the sad fact is...probably not.

For every good foster home is one where the family is doing it for the money.  Pretty much like welfare parents. 

There are no simple answers.  There are no perfect solutions.  In fact, there aren’t any solutions - that I can see - that are actually better than letting the kids stay where they are.  Because in the end, what’s really different?  You take a poor, helpless child, who had no say in what sort of home he was born into, and because his parents are worthless take those children and place them in another environment that may be exactly the same - or worse! - and what have you accomplished?  Absolutely nothing.

People who work the system are out there everywhere, whether they’re natural parents or foster parents.  And everybody feels the same way...punish the adults who are causing the problem.  But the sad reality is there are no feasible solutions for the children of those parents. 

-nab

neverabridesmaid - 04 February 2008 07:17 PM

If you have a child it is your responsibility. if you cannot take care of it, either financially, socially, mentally or whatever, then yes I think it should be removed to a home where it will get a decent upbringing.

And where might that be?  Do you think that every foster home is the type of place that will give a child a “decent upbringing”?  If not a foster home, do you think a group home will provide a child with the things that will one day make him a strong, productive member of society?  Maybe.  But the sad fact is...probably not.

For every good foster home is one where the family is doing it for the money.  Pretty much like welfare parents. 

There are no simple answers.  There are no perfect solutions.  In fact, there aren’t any solutions - that I can see - that are actually better than letting the kids stay where they are.  Because in the end, what’s really different?  You take a poor, helpless child, who had no say in what sort of home he was born into, and because his parents are worthless take those children and place them in another environment that may be exactly the same - or worse! - and what have you accomplished?  Absolutely nothing.

People who work the system are out there everywhere, whether they’re natural parents or foster parents.  And everybody feels the same way...punish the adults who are causing the problem.  But the sad reality is there are no feasible solutions for the children of those parents. 

-nab

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Your right there is no simple solution or one solution fits all.. But I dont think that leaving a impressionable child in a home where (and yes I know not all welfare homes are like this, but I bet the majority of them are).
morals arent taught..after all how can you preach morals when you have 5 kids and each have a different father,
there is a high probability of drug use,
the family is not going to exhibit to the children the value of jobs and working hard for what you want. so promoting another generation of welfare babies on the way.
Go drive thru some of the local projects, (if your brave enough) and what do you see, kids standing on the street corners, drugs are rife, little parental supervision. high crime and young teenagers already pregnant. Do you think that is a better situation for a child to live in. just because those are thier birth parents? I dont think that the ability to breed a child makes a good parent.
Take that money that is used to support these people and put it toward quality training and foster homes. If need be allow these children to be adopted into loving families, I have know several people who were adopted, they all grew up well. Just feeding the system is not the way to go.

So when you get disabled you want to have a urine test at random when you can’t walk much less work.  It takes years to draw social security disability.  You have to go through a process with a lawyer whom gets half your money to get it started.  Half the people who apply are dead before they get any money thats the system.  You want to make these process a little harder for these sick and dreadfully hurting people.  I think you need to go down to the social security building and see a few of these hurting people.  My friend died waiting on the system to get his help started.  I really resent your comments, imagine you can’t work, you have no insurance and you have to go to the doctor and beg someone to help you.  Then the give you the very minmum amount of care they can so you can be sent home to die.  I thank God that you can get help from your parents money they paid in.  Most people drawing disability do not have enough benefits paid in to get much help.

jeff

Being disabled and being a welfare parent are two entirely different things. 

Nevertheless, your post assumes what many people expect: that our government, funded by taxpayers, is responsible for taking care of people who can’t take care of themselves.

Over the years, people have come to expect that when they get down, there is an organization ready, with funds, to help pick them back up.  Many folks no longer even appreciate the help they get...they complain that it took too long for somebody else to give them money.  It was too hard.  They had to fill out too much paperwork and be interviewed.  It wasn’t enough when they got it!  They deserve more!  How dare the government make them work so hard to get money that’s not even enough to support them!

Lots of the elderly complain that Social Security isn’t enough to live on.  Well, it never was MEANT to be enough to live on.  The intent was to assist us in our later years, along with money we’ve saved ourselves, so that we can support ourselves when we no longer work.  But lots of people DON’T save as they work and then get pissed that their social security checks alone don’t provide them with what they think they deserve.

Welfare moms keep having children, knowing full well they can’t afford them but hey, as long as somebody else will, why not?  It’s a paycheck and that’s what’s most important to them.

The disabled are another group that has a lot of freeloaders and don’t pretend it’s not so.  Every single one of us knows somebody who’s drawing disability that they do not deserve and every single one of those cheaters hurts the legitimate disabled by working the system for their own benefit.

If people learned early that our government does not exist to bail people out when they get in financial trouble, we’d have fewer worthless sponges sucking others’ tax money into their own pockets, and maybe realize that it’s their own responsibility to take care of themselves and not somebody else’s.  Of course that’s a pipe dream because the mentality of the sort of people who misuse and defraud the government coffer will never change.

-nab

And this leads to the thought of be careful who you vote for! Which party is it that wants more “social services.” Typically the Democratic party is more for social services and “helping” with welfare etc. I also work with the welfare families, and do go to the projects and nothing irks me more to see how well my tax dollars are being spent. Must be nice to have steak, have your nails done weekly and drive an Escalade, plus all the jewelry you own. Even with a 6 digit income between my husband and myself, I am still living check to check-and I have none of those luxuries. But you better believe, he and I will both work our tails off with extra jobs/hours to make sure our kids are taken care of. The root of it is not only irresponsibility, but laziness. I would dig ditches or work at McDonald’s if I had too. There are jobs there if you have the initiative to apply and quit milking the system. And as to being disabled, I have back problems and go to work every day anyway-it’s all in what you consider important. I am not saying that there are those that are disabled that can’t truly work, but perhaps different work could be found. And to add into the figure as to what the 2nd poster said-don’t forget the income they get for a disabled child, which is more-and EVERYONE wants to be diagnosed with asthma-at birth!

As I stated in my earlier post, I have no problem with welfare or disability if it’s used properly. I see some people work harder at trying to get free assistance than they ever worked at a job. Some people are so good at working the system, they could actually go into business of showing other people how to get around all the red tape. (not that there is much red tape for some people)

Example. My brother has been drawing disability for years because he has a bad back. He didn’t work enough to draw it in the first place, but he gets it. Our father worked for years with the same back problems and never drew a dime of disability, even when he had to have surgery. I also have back problems, but I have a desk job so I’m sure I couldn’t get it if I tried, even though sitting in front of a computer all day adds to the pain. Our mother worked at a plant while she put herself through nursing school and then worked as a RN for several years before she developed breast cancer. She fought it for 5 years and worked 4 1/2 of those 5 years. She ended up in a wheel chair with an oxigen tank. She finally applied for disability because she could not work. Two weeks after my mother died, my father received a letter in the mail stating that her disability claim was rejected. Their doctors did not see my mothers illness as being sever enough to prevent her from working. Try to make sense of that!

The point I am trying to make is that those that need it can’t get it, or are too proud to try, and those that don’t need it, or don’t deserve it, can get all they want with no problem. There has to be a way to investigate welfare and disability claims so that only those that really qualify can get it.

Remember my brother with the bad back? He hurts himself more doing yard work than he would if he actually went to work.

I got into a difficult situation once, when I was younger. (back in the 70’s) People kept telling me to get on food stamps, so I finally went and applied. I was told I paid too much for rent ($35 on a run down trailer) and they figured the gas allotment on the paper route, which was all I could find for work at that time, as income. (route was over 100 miles long, no way I could have rode a bike) No food stamps for me. So I went to the grocery with $5 I bummed from a relative, and as I stood in line with my pinto beans and cornbread fixings, I watched the couple in front of me pay for their colas, candy, chips dip and other party items with food stamps. They were dressed to the nines, and both looked perfectly healthy. They got into their sharp new car and drove away. I learned a lot that day about how the welfare system works, and although I believe there are people who need it, I feel like the majority of folks who have it are riding the system.

As an aside, I wasn’t the only one disgusted about their purchase that day. The cashier rolled her eyes and shook her head after they walked away.

yes there are always exceptions to the rule, but you go look at the majority of welfare mothers, they are
very large (ie well fed via my money) have a brood of kids following them, and have a total air of entitlement, that they deserve their welfare no matter at whos cost.
If a mother wants to go on welfare for her children, there should be a time limit, during that time she has to prove herself at an effort to better her situation, school, job hunt, whatever. and she should submit to a doctors anual exam and given internal birth control method (IUD, the shot what ever that is long term and cannot be forgotten, thus resulting in another “whoopsie baby” in the system that has to be supported. If she refuses then the welfare should be denied, thus ending the trail of more children being born into the welfare system without a hope of a good future,
I do not believe I should pay for these women to sit home, watch tv all day and get fat.

I am a single mother with 1 daughter.  I agree that it has not been easy to provide for us, but thankfully through hard work and determination, I have been able to provide her needs and most of her wants.  I live comfortably.  I said all of that, to say this.....I do not agree that someone who is able-bodied and has the mental capacity to work a job should be allowed to apply for welfare.  But to say that the majority of welfare mothers are LARGE is such an ignorant statement.  I do not see the correlation between the two subjects at all.  (BEING ON WELFARE = OBESITY) Please have a valid argument when discussing issues like this.  It seems that you are going strictly on what you see instead of facts.  I do not believe there have been any studies conducted that shows this as being fact.

mobilegirl,

I am posting your figures on another forum-child molested at school- to prove a point. What people will do to get a check, and why. Hope you don’t mind. rmseek1234