I HAVE TO PASS A URINE TEST FOR MY JOB . . . . SO I AGREE 100%
Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributesmy taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem.What I DO have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don’t have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn’t one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare checkbecause I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand,I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I DO, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their ASS, doing DRUGS,while I work. . . .
Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
I CAN TELL YOU. YOU FIGURE THAT OUR TAXES PAY FOR THEIR HOUSES/APARTMENTS, AVG. $600.00 A MONTH, WE BUY THEIR FOOD, AVG.. FOR FOUR PEOPLE $650.00 A MONTH, PAY FOR MEDICAL $350.00 A MONTH, THEY RECEIVE WELFARE FOR TWO CHILDREN IT IS $215.00 PER MONTH. iF THEY LIVE IN A SECTION 8 HOUSE OR APARTMENT AND DO NOT WORK, THEY GET A CHECK EVERY MONTH TO HELP PAY FOR THEIR LIGHT BILL, APPROXIMATELY $80.00 A MONTH.
$600.00 X 12 = $7,200
$650.00 X 12 = $7,800
$350.00 X 12 = $4,200
$215.00 X 12 = $2,580
$ 80.00 X 12 = $ 960
YEARLY INCOME $22,740.00 FOR NOT WORKING
THE WORKING PERSON $10.00 AN HOUR X 40 HRS. X 52 WEEKS =$20, 800.
I WANT TO KNOW WHY WE CANNOT CLAIM ALL THESE PEOPLE ON OUR TAXES AT THE END OF THE YEAR,
I SUPPORT THEM..............................AND YES I DO KNOW, I WORK IN IT EVERYDAY.
I understand there are some people on welfare who for whatever reason cannot work. Thats fine, the elderly for instance.
But I dont think any healthy adult should be on the welfare system. And if they are, they should do some work to repay what they get for free...If you collect foodstamps of 650.00 a month, then at least 65 hours of civil service . if you get free rent of 500.00 then 50 hours of work back to the government of some sort. Even if its just picking up trash off the side of the road, whatever petty job can be brought up to keep them out and busy and away from crime and tv.
I also dont think we should have to pay for all the welfare babies, If your on welfare you sure cant afford to have more children, if a welfare mother gets pregnant then that new baby should be exempt from collecting payment or better yet, eforced birthcontrol. What better way of staying on a free cash system than popping out a child every year or so.
I also dont think we should have to pay for all the welfare babies, If your on welfare you sure cant afford to have more children, if a welfare mother gets pregnant then that new baby should be exempt from collecting payment or better yet, eforced birthcontrol.
On the surface that might seem like a good idea, but in reality that would be causing innocent children to suffer. It’s not a baby’s fault his mother gets deliberately knocked-up for a monthly payout. While I know it’s true that many welfare mothers DO get pregnant just for the check, what about all the others who are just stupid? They have unprotected sex, get pregnant, have a baby...and then what? If they can’t get state assistance, should the baby starve? Go without medical care? Have no clothes to wear?
I’m all for punishing adults who are stupid, irresponsible or lazy by limiting or eliminating government assistance but I can’t see doing the same thing to a poor child who can’t help that his mother or parents are like that.
And enforced birth control? What...like involuntary sterilization?
As Americans I don’t think we’ve come quite that far. Yet.
The problem is one situstion is linked with the other, my question would be.., while I
1.) earned a college education (and worked by way thru college while I was going)
2.) carry a full time job
3.) pay high medical insurance
Why should my children have to do with less. because I have to pay such high taxes to support someone (and thier children)who is either
1.) to lazy to go to work
2.) to lazy to use birth control
3.) to lazy to get an education to better then selves
yes there are always exceptions to the rule, but you go look at the majority of welfare mothers, they are
very large (ie well fed via my money) have a brood of kids following them, and have a total air of entitlement, that they deserve their welfare no matter at whos cost.
If a mother wants to go on welfare for her children, there should be a time limit, during that time she has to prove herself at an effort to better her situation, school, job hunt, whatever. and she should submit to a doctors anual exam and given internal birth control method (IUD, the shot what ever that is long term and cannot be forgotten, thus resulting in another “whoopsie baby” in the system that has to be supported. If she refuses then the welfare should be denied, thus ending the trail of more children being born into the welfare system without a hope of a good future,
I do not believe I should pay for these women to sit home, watch tv all day and get fat.
The argument that they cannot get an education is not a good one, there are to many schools out there with pell grants (FAFSA) student loans etc, based on income, if they have been on welfare they have no income, so would qualify. I know this, as I have helped several people get into college who were in similar situation. All of them now hold full time jobs. The welfare was a bridge they needed for a short time to regroup and prepare themselves for a productive life. If they could do it, others can, it just takes some effort. And the majority of those people on welfare.. dont want to make the effort. Those that do are a very small minority.
I dont believe the argument either about it would be hurting the children, Im sure in some cases it would be, but there are a lot of those welfare people who see that extra income as more crack money.. so the kids dont get it anyway. Those who are truly taking care of their children will be seeking a way out of that system and into self support.
quote “ While I know it’s true that many welfare mothers DO get pregnant just for the check, what about all the others who are just stupid? They have unprotected sex, get pregnant, have a baby...and then what? If they can’t get state assistance, should the baby starve? Go without medical care? Have no clothes to wear?
>> I thought about this for a bit before answering. my answer to this would be, if the parent have children they have no money to support,… then they should get out and get a job to do so, if they refuse and the child goes hungry or without clothing.. then child services called in and the children removed from the people who had them and now cant/wont support them. The child is the parents responsibility.. not everyone elses,. yea I know thats not a popular additude..but I take care of mine. and I feel strongly if you cant take care of yours. then dont have them.
Maybe if people learn there are consquences for thier actions,that dont reward them.. ie: take care of your own children or lose them.. dont have them till you can support them. and you dont get rewarded with a bigger check for the more you have.
Maybe more effort would be made to not get pregnant!!
then child services called in and the children removed from the people who had them and now cant/wont support them. The child is the parents responsibility.. not everyone elses,. and I feel strongly if you cant take care of yours. then dont have them.
So if the child is the parents’ responsibility, you still feel that the children should be removed and placed in a home somewhere, where we taxpayers will then support them. That’s not really a solution. We still end up paying for the children of irresponsible parents.
Not that I have the answer. I don’t think there is one. When idiots procreate, nobody wins.
I wouldn’t have a problem with welfare if it was used properly. Why do I have to pay for something that I, or my children, can not use if needed?
I was going through a divorce 13 years ago, I had two young children and a job paying less than 10,000 a year. My husband left us for another woman and I had to pay the house note, utilities, and try to keep my children fed. The courts would not speed up their process because of the holidays, so it took months. I had no one to turn to, so I thought I would try to get food stamps to help me get by. What was I thinking? They would not even listen to me once I told them I was still married. They did not even point me in the direction of someone that could help. I could not believe it. Here I was, trying to keep from losing everything and could not get even a little help.
But all this made me a stronger person and I thank God for that. I found a better job and I put myself through college and now make four times what I was making 13 years ago. Of course, I did not qualify for any type of educational aid so now I have student loans to pay back. So it does make me angry when I see people on welfare and they have never worked or made an effort to work. What gives them the right to all this free aid when others can’t get it?
then child services called in and the children removed from the people who had them and now cant/wont support them. The child is the parents responsibility.. not everyone elses,. and I feel strongly if you cant take care of yours. then dont have them.
So if the child is the parents’ responsibility, you still feel that the children should be removed and placed in a home somewhere, where we taxpayers will then support them. That’s not really a solution. We still end up paying for the children of irresponsible parents.
Not that I have the answer. I don’t think there is one. When idiots procreate, nobody wins.
-nab
We are going to have to support the children regardless, but I have a problem with supporting the lazy parents. Do not give them money that can be used for salon visits and fancy clothes. The money is distributed too freely without any type of controls on how it is to be used.
then child services called in and the children removed from the people who had them and now cant/wont support them. The child is the parents responsibility.. not everyone elses,. and I feel strongly if you cant take care of yours. then dont have them.
So if the child is the parents’ responsibility, you still feel that the children should be removed and placed in a home somewhere, where we taxpayers will then support them. That’s not really a solution. We still end up paying for the children of irresponsible parents.
Not that I have the answer. I don’t think there is one. When idiots procreate, nobody wins.
-nab
We are going to have to support the children regardless, but I have a problem with supporting the lazy parents. Do not give them money that can be used for salon visits and fancy clothes. The money is distributed too freely without any type of controls on how it is to be used.
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Northcountrygirl
You are exactly what I was talking about, you went thru hard times, and instead of sitting on the couch collecting welfare, you got out there and took care of what needed to be done. With education etc.
There is always going to be the problem of the children, but I agree with what you say, if you keep handing lazy parents more and more money then it just keeps the system cycling.
then child services called in and the children removed from the people who had them and now cant/wont support them. The child is the parents responsibility.. not everyone elses,. and I feel strongly if you cant take care of yours. then dont have them.
So if the child is the parents’ responsibility, you still feel that the children should be removed and placed in a home somewhere, where we taxpayers will then support them. That’s not really a solution. We still end up paying for the children of irresponsible parents.
Not that I have the answer. I don’t think there is one. When idiots procreate, nobody wins.
-nab
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If I had a choice, I would rather my tax dollars went to actually support JUST those children, instead of the parents of the children.
If you have a child it is your responsibility. if you cannot take care of it, either financially, socially, mentally or whatever, then yes I think it should be removed to a home where it will get a decent upbringing.
Keeping these children in homes of lazy drug addicts does the child no good whatsoever and it just shows them that is the way to grow up, place them with people who will promote responsibility, education, get them out of the welfare and drug systems, and I bet you would see the begining of a turn around in society in general.
To say that these kids get the money paid out of welfare, toward thier use is ludicrous, go look at the number of drug addict arrests and compare to see how many of those same people are on welfare (BTW I think if you ever get arrested your welfare should also stop) the majority of druggies are on welfare.. and I wonder how they got the money to buy the drugs?? Watch the news. mom lets kids wander out of hotel room while shes in a drunken, druggie state, wanna bet this mom isnt on welfare?
Promote responsibility, birth control, get out of this idea that everything has to be “politically correct” and when something is wrong...show it as wrong. Society is going down the toliet, because these days, nothing is wrong, no one is responsible for thier actions, ask a teacher in school how much fun it is to deal with kids, students know that whatever they do in school, there is now very little consequence.
To solve or at least a problem issue, someone is going to have to start taking a hard stance. instead of being a bleeding heart.
