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Autoworkers Union Keeps $6 Million Golf Course for Members at $33 Million Lakeside Retreat

Shelby is 100% right! -Detroit automakers ARE dinosaurs; they need to file Chapter 11, not just to get rid of the incompetent managers, but to bust the backs of the greedy UAW who is the primary cause of killing the auto industry in Detroit (long before the financial crisis).  The UAW will kill Detroit, just as the steel unions killed Pittsburgh. It’s tough times everywhere, but the non-union American plants aren’t begging for a taxpayer bailout! It’s time to clean house in Detroit, or get out of the car making business.  The free ride is over.  Or at least it should be, I’m furious at Bush for caving in the the unions and subsidizing salaries and pensions with taxpayer “loans.”  I don’t have a pension, why do I have to pay for yours?  If GM and Chrysler can afford it, GREAT, but don’t reach into my pocket!  My last purchase was a new GM Cadillac.  No more, my next car will be an American made Toyota.  I hope more people do the same, them maybe Detroit will get the message!

Well Michigan auto workers i guess ya’ll are happy now that Bush is bailing you out for all your crying and threating to file bankrupcy.  I think he ought to bail out all companys and individuals who are threating to file… Bush what a let down…..

It’s done, guess this forum is done!

Agreed outlaw.  Why don’t they just stop making cars?  They make wonderful trucks.  Just make those.  Now there’s a bailout plan!

not unless you wipe the slate clean and start a new does the big three stand a chance they have to become at least competitive if not more energy efficient ,solar, hydrogen,electric .people have seen what high gas prices does to their standard of living and are bound to do something about it.
Our future as a nation dependent on oil is not the way to go.
alabamaoutlaw

Getting off topic there… sorry.  So does anybody on here that supports the bailout have a substantial arguement that if we give them our money that they will be succesful and survive? I have posted this question on several blogs around the nation, even in Detroit, to no avail.  I keep getting the same answers… “we need to do it to save the jobs and businesses that will be lost.”  Still nobody answers the question.

One of the Vehicles that I recently purchased was a 2008 Toyota Scion XD.  It had 9K miles on it when I bought it.  I stole it from an individual for $13K.  The sticjker on the same vehicle new at Toyota is $16,600 and you may get them to remove the charge for the pinstripe if you are lucky.  My friend that buys cars at auction every week had been looking for me one with low miles.  Problem was… then two that he saw at auction in the 6 weeks he looked both brought $16K at auction with over 10K miles.  Now thats value retention sir.  Find me a Ford or chevy car that is that good of an investment.

rk - prices vary from region to region and state to state but the depreciation values that i stated are based on KBB, NADA, Black Book, and an aquaintance that purchases vehicles at auction weekly.  If you are familiar with KBB then do this… run the numbers on a base model 2008 Camry used with 18K miles then do the same for a Ford Fusion.  Compare the values that you get with that of original MSRP of the same models new.  You will see the hige depraciation rate of the Ford comapred to the Toyota.  You can run similar numbers on almost every Big 3 car and you will find the same results I assure you.

South I read it clearly and just stated that they should, it was under warranty. But Chrysler did the same when my Durango dropped a valve hauling a 24 ft car hauler thru the mountains with 2500 left on my 80,000 mile warranty, put a new motor in.

Roll, where do you get these figures from, I seriously doubt, no I know that I cannot buy a Honda accord for less than a Fusion, I’ve looked I too just made a car purchase in the last year.